Rekyl for børsens billigste?
Det kommer en rekyl her. Det gjør det alltid for børsens billigste. Selskapet er verdsatt til 14 mill nå. Det er kun 6,8 mill aksjer i selskapet og dersom denne begynner å stige kan det gå meget fort oppover.
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MC Axel
28.02.2025 kl 14:11
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I agree with that!
I am convinced that EAM will be the rocket of the year
I said it before the Supreme Court took up the case again and I am more convinced than ever that EAM will win
I am convinced that EAM will be the rocket of the year
I said it before the Supreme Court took up the case again and I am more convinced than ever that EAM will win
Tony83
01.03.2025 kl 10:11
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Dear Mr Axel:
You seem to be the wisest person on the forum, so let me please share some thoughts on the situation. Do you remember the atmosphere before the District Court decision on 05.07.2024? Let me remind you: 1) absolutely everybody was sure in the positive outcome of the District Court decision (District Court should follow the guidelines of the Supreme Court etc.etc.) and 2) the share price fluctuated around 1NOK before the date of the decision.
In my view the situation for EAM was stronger then than it is now. Now the outcome is totally unpredictable. Worst thing is that I do not have faith in Italian judicial system. I think it is corrupt and thus untrustworthy. That's why investors are afraid to hold the shares and periodical gusts (waves) of selling occur. This situation will continue till 18.03. Very volatile conditions and total unpredictability .... AND this all due to the bad reputation of Italia judicial system!
You seem to be the wisest person on the forum, so let me please share some thoughts on the situation. Do you remember the atmosphere before the District Court decision on 05.07.2024? Let me remind you: 1) absolutely everybody was sure in the positive outcome of the District Court decision (District Court should follow the guidelines of the Supreme Court etc.etc.) and 2) the share price fluctuated around 1NOK before the date of the decision.
In my view the situation for EAM was stronger then than it is now. Now the outcome is totally unpredictable. Worst thing is that I do not have faith in Italian judicial system. I think it is corrupt and thus untrustworthy. That's why investors are afraid to hold the shares and periodical gusts (waves) of selling occur. This situation will continue till 18.03. Very volatile conditions and total unpredictability .... AND this all due to the bad reputation of Italia judicial system!
HMPInvest
01.03.2025 kl 12:22
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I agree MC Axel made a good job pitching EAM. But beside that, I don't agree at all with you, Tony83.
1. By reading the Supreme Courts verdict 2021, it is obvious that Court Appeal Milan didn't do their job properly. The conclusions and comments by the Supreme Court that time around is nothing but humiliating reading for the Court Appeal Milan. So in regards to that, Supreme Court doesn't seem that corrupt.
2. Given the Supreme Courts decisions 2021 I would say that the outcome is predictable with an unusual high probability, in favour of EAM. This is not an ordinary court case, since highest court already in 2021 has been given their thoughts (they don't change foot lightly, unless new laws are implemented), which is extremely rare in any court case (I actually don't know any case, on top of my head). Have you even red Supreme Courts decision 2021? Why do you think that the Supreme Court now wants to process the case once more (also on a very short timeline)? Doesn't that guide you in any direction? For your info, a Supreme Court never grants an appeal if they think the legal issues are properly handled and logic has been followed by an under court. In this particular case it's not about precedent, it's about a major logic flaw by the under court.
3. Ask yourself this: How often do you beforehand get to peek into the arguments by a Supreme Court? I give you a hint, almost never. This time, we already have some of the Supreme Courts argument from 2021. Extremely rare situation from that point of view.
Morover, I believe the Supreme court will give a final decision on the 18th March, and I also believe it will be a win for EAM. I will keep my arguments to my self behind that position for a while. They goes slightly beyond what has been written in any thread so far in fa.
So, in summary, I only agree with you that MC Axel made a very good pitch here, and the rest in your post is rubbish. In my humble opinion :) .
1. By reading the Supreme Courts verdict 2021, it is obvious that Court Appeal Milan didn't do their job properly. The conclusions and comments by the Supreme Court that time around is nothing but humiliating reading for the Court Appeal Milan. So in regards to that, Supreme Court doesn't seem that corrupt.
2. Given the Supreme Courts decisions 2021 I would say that the outcome is predictable with an unusual high probability, in favour of EAM. This is not an ordinary court case, since highest court already in 2021 has been given their thoughts (they don't change foot lightly, unless new laws are implemented), which is extremely rare in any court case (I actually don't know any case, on top of my head). Have you even red Supreme Courts decision 2021? Why do you think that the Supreme Court now wants to process the case once more (also on a very short timeline)? Doesn't that guide you in any direction? For your info, a Supreme Court never grants an appeal if they think the legal issues are properly handled and logic has been followed by an under court. In this particular case it's not about precedent, it's about a major logic flaw by the under court.
3. Ask yourself this: How often do you beforehand get to peek into the arguments by a Supreme Court? I give you a hint, almost never. This time, we already have some of the Supreme Courts argument from 2021. Extremely rare situation from that point of view.
Morover, I believe the Supreme court will give a final decision on the 18th March, and I also believe it will be a win for EAM. I will keep my arguments to my self behind that position for a while. They goes slightly beyond what has been written in any thread so far in fa.
So, in summary, I only agree with you that MC Axel made a very good pitch here, and the rest in your post is rubbish. In my humble opinion :) .
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tuja
01.03.2025 kl 12:45
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Spot on, HPMInvest. That the Supreme Court overrule the verdict from the The court of appeal, is in my head 100% positive in favour EAM.
Tony83
02.03.2025 kl 10:50
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I've read both: the Supreme Court and District Court decision from 05.07.2024. I also work as an attorney at law, so I've been practicing law for the whole of my life. In short --> I hope for the best scenario for EAM ... BUT there are also OTHER scenarios of the final outcome, ranging from 100% to 0%. It's a huge risk and I've taken it (but not on an "all in" basis). We have to be realists and talk openly not just with slogans!
HP17
02.03.2025 kl 11:48
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Dette har du tydeligvis ikke satt deg så godt inn.
Les fra en annen tråd, gjennomgang fra skriv fra italiensk høyesterett.
Se vedlagt analyse av EAM fra a til å: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rjLMRZF1zvR_M-IzGdmY1ihokPxbLrLK/view?usp=sharing
Gjennomgang av skriv fra høyesterett med markeringer på de mest essensielle punkter: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MSyoarVGtAvcWRrCVZBgwmNzhfJQKt_h/view?usp=sharing
https://www.finansavisen.no/forum/thread/162307/view/5648548
Les fra en annen tråd, gjennomgang fra skriv fra italiensk høyesterett.
Se vedlagt analyse av EAM fra a til å: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rjLMRZF1zvR_M-IzGdmY1ihokPxbLrLK/view?usp=sharing
Gjennomgang av skriv fra høyesterett med markeringer på de mest essensielle punkter: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MSyoarVGtAvcWRrCVZBgwmNzhfJQKt_h/view?usp=sharing
https://www.finansavisen.no/forum/thread/162307/view/5648548
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HMPInvest
02.03.2025 kl 12:48
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Tony83 . . . really, honestly, are you trying to have us believe you are an attorney? . . . . not a chance you are an attorney! Try another argument!
You wrote this question in an other thread "Does the Supreme Court in Italy have authority to decide the case himself . . . ?". And you want us to believe you are an attorney???? Please Tony83!
Also, I think you currently are on the sideline.
You wrote this question in an other thread "Does the Supreme Court in Italy have authority to decide the case himself . . . ?". And you want us to believe you are an attorney???? Please Tony83!
Also, I think you currently are on the sideline.
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olje
02.03.2025 kl 12:50
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Mener fortsatt at vi skal se over 1 krone innen de neste 2 ukene, tipper vi har vært innom minst 70 øre i løpet av neste uke.
tuja
02.03.2025 kl 13:45
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Alle bør stille seg dette spørsmålet: Hvorfor overstyrer høgsterett dommen fra ankedomstolen i Milan? Høgsterett leker ikke butikk. Dersom de ikke hadde/har noe å innvende på dommen, ville saken vært avsluttet. Det er sjelden høgsterett tar inn igjen saker, der de ikke ser ett helt annet utfall pga feilaktig domsutmåling.
skadi
02.03.2025 kl 15:48
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Fomo vil få en ny betydning i EAM. Mye å gå glipp av. Kurs nå under 50 øre, erstatning tilsvarende over 15 kroner per aksje.
Og argumentene hvorfor EAM står sterkt har er godt og korrekt blitt belyst i denne tråd.
Og argumentene hvorfor EAM står sterkt har er godt og korrekt blitt belyst i denne tråd.
E Desperados
03.03.2025 kl 09:42
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Hvis det er samme høyesterett som har laget det skrivet der som tar opp igjen saken så tenker jeg at her er det verdt å ta noen lodd. Virker jo som om det er "saksbehandlingsfeil" fra lavere domstol som høyesterett vil ha omgjort.
Tony83
03.03.2025 kl 10:26
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MC Axel skrev 👍 Tjank you! 🙂
Dear Mr Axel:
One particular scenario that I am afraid of is the application of statute of limitation. As you remember in a number of indictments the District Court has applied statute of limitation (the criminal offences were time-barred by the statute of limitations). What I am most afraid of is that the Supreme Court will apply the statute of limitation to ALL of the indictments. You should agree that this is at least one of the possibilities.
One particular scenario that I am afraid of is the application of statute of limitation. As you remember in a number of indictments the District Court has applied statute of limitation (the criminal offences were time-barred by the statute of limitations). What I am most afraid of is that the Supreme Court will apply the statute of limitation to ALL of the indictments. You should agree that this is at least one of the possibilities.
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MC Axel
03.03.2025 kl 12:34
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Wrong again
If it were as simple as you are trying to imply, the Supreme Court would have dismissed the case immediately.
It was not time-barred in the judgment, the Italian state against the fraudsters
The same case has been going on all along, so it is not outdated.
Please read this and you know why
https://www.finansavisen.no/finans/2024/10/10/8190474/eam-solar-anker-beslutning
I have almost 3.5 million shares in EAM. Yes, you can assume that I have great faith in the matter ;)
If it were as simple as you are trying to imply, the Supreme Court would have dismissed the case immediately.
It was not time-barred in the judgment, the Italian state against the fraudsters
The same case has been going on all along, so it is not outdated.
Please read this and you know why
https://www.finansavisen.no/finans/2024/10/10/8190474/eam-solar-anker-beslutning
I have almost 3.5 million shares in EAM. Yes, you can assume that I have great faith in the matter ;)
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HMPInvest
03.03.2025 kl 13:15
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you still don't get that there are no time limit that will affect the process - EAM has plenty of time to process the case. This has been checked!!!!! It's the same post you did several weeks ago!
Give us a break, Tony83.
Give us a break, Tony83.
tuja
03.03.2025 kl 13:15
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Nå selges gull til prisen av gråstein. Etter 18 mars kan EAM lett prises til minimum 10 gangen. Og det er nøkternt.
Tony83
03.03.2025 kl 13:35
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The Supreme Court may have taken the case into proceedings in order to apply statute of limitations to all the indictments not only some of them (as district court did). Anyway that's a possibility. I have 1 million shares. don't dare to risk with any more. Soon we'll see.
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Theo19
03.03.2025 kl 13:53
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tuja hva tror du kursen blir hvis det ikke går bra 18 mars.Hvorfor tror du kursen er på bare 0,45-0,50 nå
tuja
03.03.2025 kl 14:10
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Hvorfor tror du høgsterett går videre med den rettslige tvisten, og overstyrer ankedomstolen i Milano?
MC Axel
03.03.2025 kl 14:12
3776
It is highly unlikely
The Supreme Court will not overturn the judgment of the Italian state, I cannot see anywhere that this judgment has been appealed to the Supreme Court.
We have a verdict from 2021 where they (the fraudsters were found guilty) and where it is factual that the documents are false.
The Supreme Court will not overturn the judgment in which the Italian state won. In this judgment, the false documents were not considered to be expired.
The exact same false documents were used to defraud EAM. The Italian case and the EAM case are taking place at the same time, concern the same solar parks and the legal proceedings have been running in parallel.
"Styret mener retten har unnlatt å ta stilling til de faktiske bevisene som ble lagt frem i rettssaken i 2019, hvor det ble bevist at EAM mottok falsifiserte dokumenter under kontraktsforhandlingene med Aveleos. Disse dokumentene er de samme som ankedomstolen la til grunn for å dømme for svindel mot den italienske staten."
"– For det første er de dømt for svindel mot den italienske staten på grunn av de forfalskede dokumentene. De samme dokumentene ble brukt til å bedra oss. Det er en åpenbar logisk feil her, sier Jakobsen"
""""" – De er dømt for svindel på den ene siden, men ikke på den andre. """""
"""""«Dommen i ankesaken er interessant av to årsaker. For første er folkene dømt for svindel av den italienske staten. Det åpner for et sivilt søksmål med en helt annen bevisbyrde. Det andre er at vår kriminaladvokat har sett på argumentasjonen til ankedomstolen, og det er en del konkrete formalfeil og faktafeil som vi vil anke til høyesterett ettersom ankedomstolen ikke fulgte høysteretts retningslinjer»"""""""
https://www.finansavisen.no/finans/2024/10/10/8190474/eam-solar-anker-beslutning?fbclid=IwY2xjawIyhxlleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHWWkYsuySVHx5JRXeebe9kfcluaHrWIFwCREcfaMSH-S5XDS3i58Wq6y-g_aem_Y2-vvVVXWH74ZDNDOasUug
I myself was skeptical at first, but was convinced that there was a legal error regarding the EAM judgment from July 4, 2024.
After the Supreme Court took up the matter, I am more certain that the Supreme Court has seen the same thing as the rest of us, that the lower court has not done its job and has made mistakes in the EAM case.
Everyone must make their own assessment of the matter, but I stand by my opinion.
The Supreme Court will not overturn the judgment of the Italian state, I cannot see anywhere that this judgment has been appealed to the Supreme Court.
We have a verdict from 2021 where they (the fraudsters were found guilty) and where it is factual that the documents are false.
The Supreme Court will not overturn the judgment in which the Italian state won. In this judgment, the false documents were not considered to be expired.
The exact same false documents were used to defraud EAM. The Italian case and the EAM case are taking place at the same time, concern the same solar parks and the legal proceedings have been running in parallel.
"Styret mener retten har unnlatt å ta stilling til de faktiske bevisene som ble lagt frem i rettssaken i 2019, hvor det ble bevist at EAM mottok falsifiserte dokumenter under kontraktsforhandlingene med Aveleos. Disse dokumentene er de samme som ankedomstolen la til grunn for å dømme for svindel mot den italienske staten."
"– For det første er de dømt for svindel mot den italienske staten på grunn av de forfalskede dokumentene. De samme dokumentene ble brukt til å bedra oss. Det er en åpenbar logisk feil her, sier Jakobsen"
""""" – De er dømt for svindel på den ene siden, men ikke på den andre. """""
"""""«Dommen i ankesaken er interessant av to årsaker. For første er folkene dømt for svindel av den italienske staten. Det åpner for et sivilt søksmål med en helt annen bevisbyrde. Det andre er at vår kriminaladvokat har sett på argumentasjonen til ankedomstolen, og det er en del konkrete formalfeil og faktafeil som vi vil anke til høyesterett ettersom ankedomstolen ikke fulgte høysteretts retningslinjer»"""""""
https://www.finansavisen.no/finans/2024/10/10/8190474/eam-solar-anker-beslutning?fbclid=IwY2xjawIyhxlleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHWWkYsuySVHx5JRXeebe9kfcluaHrWIFwCREcfaMSH-S5XDS3i58Wq6y-g_aem_Y2-vvVVXWH74ZDNDOasUug
I myself was skeptical at first, but was convinced that there was a legal error regarding the EAM judgment from July 4, 2024.
After the Supreme Court took up the matter, I am more certain that the Supreme Court has seen the same thing as the rest of us, that the lower court has not done its job and has made mistakes in the EAM case.
Everyone must make their own assessment of the matter, but I stand by my opinion.
HMPInvest
03.03.2025 kl 14:57
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If you really believe that you should sell all your "1 million" shares immediately!
HMPInvest
03.03.2025 kl 17:47
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Technically, price is trading in the tip of a bullish pennant. Expect price to break out shortly. It's a bullish setup, hence most likely up.
Tony83
03.03.2025 kl 22:02
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Thanks! I'll go through it later but want to emphasize that the gang has also appealed the 5.07 decision to the Supreme Court!
weed
04.03.2025 kl 12:13
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I så fall om dette er et bullish set-up med mulig pennant (flagg) formasjon så burde man fylle på ved brudd over 50 øre. Vi får sr hva som skjer.
olje
04.03.2025 kl 12:30
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Jeg har heller fylt på rundt 42 øre i dag...så får vi se om ikke det var smart.
tuja
04.03.2025 kl 12:37
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Om høgsterett dømmer i favør EAM, men reduserer erstatningen med 75%, og de "kun" blir tilkjent 55-60 mill eur(pluss renter, som er ett betydelig beløp), vil det tilsvare 10-15 ganger høyere mcap/aksjekurs kontra i dag. Noe å tenke på.
Blygen
04.03.2025 kl 14:44
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Har absolutt ingen behov for å selge på disse kursene....denne sjansen jeg har nå, har jeg aldri hatt før....den skal jeg ta vare på:)....selv om det går åt skogen....
tuja
04.03.2025 kl 14:59
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Ja, hvor ofte har man muligheten for en potensiell økning på flere 1000% på få dager. Bare halvparten av erstatningskravet tilsvarer 8 kr pr aksje, uten renter.
HMPInvest
04.03.2025 kl 19:54
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I bet a final decision by the Supreme Court is the most likely outcome. And if so, in favour of EAM. It may get wild.
Tony83
04.03.2025 kl 21:43
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Still, as a rule, the highest courts send the cases back with their guidelines. The rational behind this is 1) they want the lower court (the one that made a mistake) to rectify these mistakes and 2) they want the lower courts to follow their guidelines!
skadi
04.03.2025 kl 22:02
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The lower court had his chance to do so! It's time to stop the nonsens.....
HMPInvest
04.03.2025 kl 22:48
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yes, normally that would be the process, but this time Supreme Court will look into the whole case and make a final decision, that's my take after talking to people who knows law better than I do. The Supreme Court has the power to make that final decision, I've checked that too.
The Supreme will not check facts regarding Akhmerov and his "friends" guilt, it's already scrutinized by both CAM (twice) and the Supreme Court 2021.
The Supreme will not check facts regarding Akhmerov and his "friends" guilt, it's already scrutinized by both CAM (twice) and the Supreme Court 2021.
Tony83
05.03.2025 kl 11:21
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Hope you are right! In our jurisdiction the Supreme Court has also a procedural right to make a final decision but the Supreme Court uses this right very seldom. We'll see quite soon already.
MC Axel
05.03.2025 kl 11:52
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Yes, there should be a limit to how often the Supreme Court should confirm a fraud case, and when it has clearly been committed
I'm definitely not selling my EAM shares!
I'm definitely not selling my EAM shares!
MC Axel
05.03.2025 kl 14:36
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I believe that history will repeat itself, and that the Supreme Court will reprimand the lower court this time, just as they did last time!
The strength this time is that the false documents have been used and accepted in a judgment.
Do you remember this one from 2021?
"Domstol slaktes etter EAM Solar-dom
Italiensk høyesterett sender EAM Solars svindelsak tilbake til ankedomstolen i Milano med krav om full gjennomgang av bevisene.
Publisert 2. des. 2021"
Høyesterett sender nå saken tilbake til et annet kammer ved ankedomstolen i Milano for en ny behandling av saken. Videre stiller høyesterett krav om en fullstendig gjennomgang av bevisene i den nye rettsrunden.
EAM Solar gjengir også høyesteretts beslutning om selve svindelsaken, der konklusjonen går ut på at den beviste tilbakeholdelsen av essensiell informasjon i kontraktsforhandlingene i seg selv utgjør en kontraktssvindel.
https://www.finansavisen.no/nyheter/energi/2021/12/02/7783233/domstol-slaktes-etter-eam-solar-dom
The strength this time is that the false documents have been used and accepted in a judgment.
Do you remember this one from 2021?
"Domstol slaktes etter EAM Solar-dom
Italiensk høyesterett sender EAM Solars svindelsak tilbake til ankedomstolen i Milano med krav om full gjennomgang av bevisene.
Publisert 2. des. 2021"
Høyesterett sender nå saken tilbake til et annet kammer ved ankedomstolen i Milano for en ny behandling av saken. Videre stiller høyesterett krav om en fullstendig gjennomgang av bevisene i den nye rettsrunden.
EAM Solar gjengir også høyesteretts beslutning om selve svindelsaken, der konklusjonen går ut på at den beviste tilbakeholdelsen av essensiell informasjon i kontraktsforhandlingene i seg selv utgjør en kontraktssvindel.
https://www.finansavisen.no/nyheter/energi/2021/12/02/7783233/domstol-slaktes-etter-eam-solar-dom
HMPInvest
05.03.2025 kl 15:41
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Well, not in my country, the Supreme Court very often for the rare granted appeals correct and makes final decisions. And that goes for Supreme Court in Italy as well. They are authorized to correct the verdict by CAM.
What they never do though is to correct a verdict where the appeal is purely based on factual reasoning. The under courts verdict therefore stand on the fraudulent part. Only if significant evidence based on new facts is presented. Which is not the case here. It's all about the decision based on lack of logic and incomplete processing by CAM.
Hence, the verdict of fraud stand, but should be applied in every part of the case. That's why the Supreme Court has granted the appeal a second time - rare, extremely rare.
So, I'm as convinced as one can be that the outcome will be in favour of EAM. Why would the Supreme Court grant the appeal a second time then? This question is rhetorical.
What they never do though is to correct a verdict where the appeal is purely based on factual reasoning. The under courts verdict therefore stand on the fraudulent part. Only if significant evidence based on new facts is presented. Which is not the case here. It's all about the decision based on lack of logic and incomplete processing by CAM.
Hence, the verdict of fraud stand, but should be applied in every part of the case. That's why the Supreme Court has granted the appeal a second time - rare, extremely rare.
So, I'm as convinced as one can be that the outcome will be in favour of EAM. Why would the Supreme Court grant the appeal a second time then? This question is rhetorical.
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Donkey12
05.03.2025 kl 21:20
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Need answers if someone could share the knowledge if they have, no one knows when it will be officially done with the case, but how long would it take to receive the compensation if supreme court would favor the Eam on the same day?
would appreciate it very much, thanks if you do so.
would appreciate it very much, thanks if you do so.
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Tony83
05.03.2025 kl 22:41
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Good point! What do we know about Aveleos and Akhmerov? The latter can flee to Russia any moment but Aveleos should have assets.
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Peter Sellers
06.03.2025 kl 07:18
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@Tony, honestly I don't understand why you have bought this share with the big and many worries you have!! Yes, it is a Lotto share with the possibility of a huge profit, but I think you should rather buy Equinor and you will probably sleep well or maybe you should rather consider whether you have anything to do on the stock exchange at all, good luck!!