#TrumpRiksrett - Alternativ framstilling
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04.10.2019 kl 17:19
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For de som vi høre den andre siden av saken i all støyen fra libtard-MSM
https://youtu.be/oUCaOOfYA08
https://youtu.be/oUCaOOfYA08
Strek
04.10.2019 kl 21:52
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Haterne vil ikke forholde seg til at også denne komplekse saken har flere sider.De lever i en verden der kun svartmaling av Trump er av interessse og ingen nyanserte holdninger hvor de er åpne for bredere informasjon.
Viktig å forstå at saken har flere sider!
Viktig å forstå at saken har flere sider!
"Haterne vil ikke forholde seg til at også denne komplekse saken har flere sider"
Hvorfor kaller du saken kompleks? Det er faktisk veldig enkelt. Trump henvendte seg til en utenlandsk regjering for å bli kvitt sin viktigste rival. Det er maktmisbruk og grunnlovsbrudd. At du kaller folk som påpeker dette for hatere gjør deg rett og slett til en som gir blanke faen i etikk og lovverk.
Hvorfor kaller du saken kompleks? Det er faktisk veldig enkelt. Trump henvendte seg til en utenlandsk regjering for å bli kvitt sin viktigste rival. Det er maktmisbruk og grunnlovsbrudd. At du kaller folk som påpeker dette for hatere gjør deg rett og slett til en som gir blanke faen i etikk og lovverk.
Ennå mer bevis for Quid pro quo.
SHEBOYGAN - U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson was blocked by President Donald Trump in August from telling Ukraine's president that U.S. aid was on its way amid accusations Trump was withholding it until the eastern European nation investigated his political rival.
Trump rejected Johnson's request after also refusing in May to back new Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, the Oshkosh Republican said Friday.
“I was surprised by the president’s reaction and realized we had a sales job to do,” Johnson said during a constituent stop in Sheboygan. “I tried to convince him (in August) to give me the authority to tell President Zelensky that we were going to provide that. Now, I didn’t succeed."
Johnson told reporters Trump said he was considering withholding the aid because of alleged corruption involving the 2016 U.S. election. Johnson stood by the president, saying he was sympathetic to his concerns and didn't see any bad motives on his part.
"What happened in 2016? What happened in 2016? What was the truth about that?” Johnson said about Trump's concerns.
With his comments Friday, Johnson made clear that he was aware of allegations Trump was withholding aid to Ukraine for political reasons weeks before the public knew.
Trump, who faces a fast-moving impeachment inquiry over the matter, has denied the claim and Johnson has defended the president — but Johnson's story helps House Democrats learn more about a key aspect of the probe.
https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/04/ron-johnson-says-trump-blocked-him-assuring-ukraine-aid/3862948002/
SHEBOYGAN - U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson was blocked by President Donald Trump in August from telling Ukraine's president that U.S. aid was on its way amid accusations Trump was withholding it until the eastern European nation investigated his political rival.
Trump rejected Johnson's request after also refusing in May to back new Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, the Oshkosh Republican said Friday.
“I was surprised by the president’s reaction and realized we had a sales job to do,” Johnson said during a constituent stop in Sheboygan. “I tried to convince him (in August) to give me the authority to tell President Zelensky that we were going to provide that. Now, I didn’t succeed."
Johnson told reporters Trump said he was considering withholding the aid because of alleged corruption involving the 2016 U.S. election. Johnson stood by the president, saying he was sympathetic to his concerns and didn't see any bad motives on his part.
"What happened in 2016? What happened in 2016? What was the truth about that?” Johnson said about Trump's concerns.
With his comments Friday, Johnson made clear that he was aware of allegations Trump was withholding aid to Ukraine for political reasons weeks before the public knew.
Trump, who faces a fast-moving impeachment inquiry over the matter, has denied the claim and Johnson has defended the president — but Johnson's story helps House Democrats learn more about a key aspect of the probe.
https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/04/ron-johnson-says-trump-blocked-him-assuring-ukraine-aid/3862948002/
Breaking via NBC: Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered a criminal referral to the Justice Dept. about the whistleblower's allegations that Trump abused his office in pressuring Ukraine.
"The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Dept. later closed the case without conducting an investigation."
"The fact that she and other top Trump administration political appointees saw potential misconduct in the whistleblower's early account of alleged presidential abuses puts a new spotlight on the Justice Department's later decision to decline to open a criminal investigation."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/cia-s-top-lawyer-made-criminal-referral-whistleblower-s-complaint-n1062481
"The move by the CIA's general counsel, Trump appointee Courtney Simmons Elwood, meant she and other senior officials had concluded a potential crime had been committed, raising more questions about why the Justice Dept. later closed the case without conducting an investigation."
"The fact that she and other top Trump administration political appointees saw potential misconduct in the whistleblower's early account of alleged presidential abuses puts a new spotlight on the Justice Department's later decision to decline to open a criminal investigation."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/cia-s-top-lawyer-made-criminal-referral-whistleblower-s-complaint-n1062481
Economist/YouGov Poll:
should House try to impeach Trump?
50% yes
39% no
if House impeaches, should Senate remove Trump from office?
51% yes
39% no
should House try to impeach Trump?
50% yes
39% no
if House impeaches, should Senate remove Trump from office?
51% yes
39% no
Fox’s Chris Wallace: Kurt Volker’s testimony is ‘quite devastating to the president’
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/foxs-chris-wallace-kurt-volkers-testimony-is-quite-devastating-to-the-president/
Fox News Sunday anchor Chris Wallace on Friday explained why congressional testimony from former U.S. Special Envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker was bad news for President Donald Trump and his allies.
“The breaking news to me, today, is … Fox has gotten ahold of the 11-page statement, opening statement by Kurt Volker yesterday in a closed session. He of course was the special envoy from the administration to Ukraine. He was very involved in all of this. This 11-page opening statement is quite devastating to the president and Rudy Giuliani’s case.”
“It basically says that Volker, who all sides agree was an honest broker in this whole thing, was very disturbed by the information — he thought disinformation — that various Ukrainian officials were sending to Rudy Giuliani, the president’s private lawyer, and that Rudy Giuliani was then spreading that information in Washington.”
“That might be a reason why the president was so reluctant to meet with [Ukrainian president] Zelensky and also to, of course, push Zelensky to investigate in that July 25th phone call both potential involvement in the 2016 election by the Ukrainians and also Joe Biden and his role.”
Wallace noted that Volker also told members of Congress that he does not believe that Biden had done anything wrong.
“You can bet that that went over well with House Republicans,” Wallace sarcastically remarked.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/foxs-chris-wallace-kurt-volkers-testimony-is-quite-devastating-to-the-president/
Fox News Sunday anchor Chris Wallace on Friday explained why congressional testimony from former U.S. Special Envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker was bad news for President Donald Trump and his allies.
“The breaking news to me, today, is … Fox has gotten ahold of the 11-page statement, opening statement by Kurt Volker yesterday in a closed session. He of course was the special envoy from the administration to Ukraine. He was very involved in all of this. This 11-page opening statement is quite devastating to the president and Rudy Giuliani’s case.”
“It basically says that Volker, who all sides agree was an honest broker in this whole thing, was very disturbed by the information — he thought disinformation — that various Ukrainian officials were sending to Rudy Giuliani, the president’s private lawyer, and that Rudy Giuliani was then spreading that information in Washington.”
“That might be a reason why the president was so reluctant to meet with [Ukrainian president] Zelensky and also to, of course, push Zelensky to investigate in that July 25th phone call both potential involvement in the 2016 election by the Ukrainians and also Joe Biden and his role.”
Wallace noted that Volker also told members of Congress that he does not believe that Biden had done anything wrong.
“You can bet that that went over well with House Republicans,” Wallace sarcastically remarked.
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04.10.2019 kl 23:39
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Samtalen Trump hadde med ukrainas president skjedde 25. juli. Da er det jo helt irrelevant om Ukraina fikk en oppdatert status på midlene i august, etter at samtalen fant sted. Spørsmålet er om ukrainas president på samtaletidspunktet hadde full informasjon om at midlene ble holdt tilbake av Trump og knyttet til gjenopptakelse av saken vedrørende Burisma holdings. Kun da er det 'Quid pro quo', som demokratene (og deres medier) baserer sin sak på. Crowdstrike-saken er helt ute av bildet fordi dette i alle fall er helt innenfor hva statsledere kan be hverandre om av tjenester. Dessuten har USA og Ukraina en avtale om gjensidig bistand i kriminalitetsbekjempelse.
Redigert 04.10.2019 kl 23:55
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04.10.2019 kl 23:52
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Wallace noted that Volker also told members of Congress that he does not believe that Biden had done anything wrong.
- Hunter Biden hadde ingen andre kvalifikasjoner enn at han er sønn av Joseph Biden, daværende visepresident i USA. At en ukrainsk oligark engasjerer sønnen til USAs visepresident som styremedlem i sitt firma er et rødt flagg for korrupsjon! Selvsagt bør dette etterforskes grundig.
- Hunter Biden hadde ingen andre kvalifikasjoner enn at han er sønn av Joseph Biden, daværende visepresident i USA. At en ukrainsk oligark engasjerer sønnen til USAs visepresident som styremedlem i sitt firma er et rødt flagg for korrupsjon! Selvsagt bør dette etterforskes grundig.
Og hvilke kvalifikasjoner har Ivanka Trump og Jared Kushner til å jobbe i WH?
Hvorfor lot Trump Michael Cohen selge access til Trump for millioner av dollar?
Redigert 05.10.2019 kl 00:02
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Trump is asked whether he's ever asked a foreign government to investigate corruption NOT involving one of Trump's political opponents.
"We'd have to look," Trump says
"We'd have to look," Trump says
Den kanskje mest avslørende tekstmeldingen som ble offentliggjort var fra USAs Ukraina ambassadør, Taylor.
“AS I SAID ON THE PHONE, I THINK IT’S CRAZY TO WITTHOLD SECURITY ASSISTANCE FOR HELP WITH A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN.”
(sendt 9 September)
Her kan man lese alle de offentliggjorte meldingene mellom diplomatene.
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_cache/files/a/4/a4a91fab-99cd-4eb9-9c6c-ec1c586494b9/621801458E982E9903839ABC7404A917.chairmen-letter-on-state-departmnent-texts-10-03-19.pdf
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/i/e80JOa/frigir-toppdiplomaters-ukraina-tekstmeldinger?utm_source=vgfront&utm_content=row-1
“AS I SAID ON THE PHONE, I THINK IT’S CRAZY TO WITTHOLD SECURITY ASSISTANCE FOR HELP WITH A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN.”
(sendt 9 September)
Her kan man lese alle de offentliggjorte meldingene mellom diplomatene.
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_cache/files/a/4/a4a91fab-99cd-4eb9-9c6c-ec1c586494b9/621801458E982E9903839ABC7404A917.chairmen-letter-on-state-departmnent-texts-10-03-19.pdf
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/i/e80JOa/frigir-toppdiplomaters-ukraina-tekstmeldinger?utm_source=vgfront&utm_content=row-1
Redigert 05.10.2019 kl 00:14
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05.10.2019 kl 00:16
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Det er ikke korrupsjon i hvert fall. Det har mer å gjøre med lojalitet og tillit å ansette familiemedlemmer. Det er vel ingen som helst tvil om at denne ukrainske oligarken brukte Bidens sønn for å skaffe seg nettverk i Obama-administrasjonen. Og slikt skal ettergås!
Angående Cohen, så har ikke det blitt noen stor sak, heller ikke i demokratenes medier. Så da må vi anta at dette var Cohen som prøvde å selge seg selv inn som en som kunne fikse tilgang til Trump, uten at Trump nødvendigvis visste dette selv.
Angående Cohen, så har ikke det blitt noen stor sak, heller ikke i demokratenes medier. Så da må vi anta at dette var Cohen som prøvde å selge seg selv inn som en som kunne fikse tilgang til Trump, uten at Trump nødvendigvis visste dette selv.
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05.10.2019 kl 00:19
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Dette kan være ambassadørens egen tolkning av situasjonen. Det finnes andre kilder som hevder at Trump holdt tilbake midler fordi han mente at USA bidro med for mye og at europeerne skulle bidra med noe også. Og Trumps egne uttalelser "off the record" veier mer enn en som står lenger unna Trump.
Til og med MSM, ved VG, beskriver en lite entydig situasjon:
"Taylor skrev at det var «crazy» å holde den tilbake for å få hjelp til en politisk kampanje. Sondland svarte at han mente Taylor tok feil om Trumps intensjoner, og at presidenten hadde vært krystallklar på at det ikke skulle være noe som helst «quid pro quo» (en tjeneste for en tjeneste)."
Til og med MSM, ved VG, beskriver en lite entydig situasjon:
"Taylor skrev at det var «crazy» å holde den tilbake for å få hjelp til en politisk kampanje. Sondland svarte at han mente Taylor tok feil om Trumps intensjoner, og at presidenten hadde vært krystallklar på at det ikke skulle være noe som helst «quid pro quo» (en tjeneste for en tjeneste)."
Redigert 05.10.2019 kl 00:36
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"Sondland svarte at han mente Taylor tok feil om Trumps intensjoner"
Dertte var 9 september og varselet var allerede kjent i visse kretser. Det er opplagt at Sonland prøvde å stoppe kjeften på Taylor siden han fryktet at meldingene ville bli etterforsket. Taylor, på den annen side,ville nok få on record hva som foregikk.
Klarere bevis på quid prp quo enn denne serien med meldinger skal man lete lenge etter. De tilbød seg til og med å diktere en pressemelding for Ukrainerne.
Dertte var 9 september og varselet var allerede kjent i visse kretser. Det er opplagt at Sonland prøvde å stoppe kjeften på Taylor siden han fryktet at meldingene ville bli etterforsket. Taylor, på den annen side,ville nok få on record hva som foregikk.
Klarere bevis på quid prp quo enn denne serien med meldinger skal man lete lenge etter. De tilbød seg til og med å diktere en pressemelding for Ukrainerne.
Redigert 05.10.2019 kl 00:45
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cinet
05.10.2019 kl 00:55
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A den gamle/jaba er en og samme person . En DT hater av rang , som ikke klarer å skille fake news og fox news. I tillegg ansatt som manipulator/agitator, enten i Klassekampen eller i affa? Oppfordrer klarsynte til ikke å svare på tråder opprettet av slike fake news spredere