FimaNAc
Hi
At first look it seems that someone is using FimaNAc concept with a different photosensitizer TPPS4, this is still at an academic stage but could we consider it a potential competition? How are we protected around FimaNAc?
Hope we can discuss this “objectively”
This was published April 2018 and the work was funded by the Federal Ministry of Education and Research (Germany)
The paper is titled:
Restoring functional neurofibromin by protein transduction
Link:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-24310-5
Quotes:
“Protein transduction into cultured fibroblasts was performed employing cell penetrating peptides along with photochemical internalization. This combination of transduction strategies ensures the intracellular uptake and the translocation to the cytoplasm of neurofibromin”
“Cotreating cells with a photosensitizer and light induced disruption of endosomes and lysosomes called photochemical internalization (PCI) leads to a cytosolic distribution of the internalized proteins in vitro.”
“The combined treatment with photochemical internalization (PCI) to release endosomally trapped protein to the cytosol of the cells required 24 hours preincubation time with the photosensitizer TPPS4. Therefore, experiments combining protein transduction, PCI and cellular orientation on nano-micro structured surfaces were designed to last 96 hours as shown in the experimental timescale (Fig. 1a). In case of a siRNA NF1 knockdown, additional 48 hours were prepended.”
“An uptake of huge proteins as neurofibromin (~320 kDa) remains a challenging task. We showed that the problems can be overcome in vitro by using endo-lysosome disrupting techniques as specialized transduction reagents along with light triggered photochemical internalisation (PCI).”
“We used TPPS4 as photosensitizer (PS). This PS is activated by an exposure to visible blue light that penetrates tissue only over a distance of few millimeters with a strong decrease of the intensity. To perform a suitable PCI treatment, a uniform exposure in all cells should be achieved for that the effect of an endolysosomal release is directly linked to the light intensity. Here, the use of different PS with other activation wavelengths might extenuate this problem. Further modifications of the recombinant neurofibromin e.g. the fusion of one or more HIV TAT transduction domains might enhance the cellular and cytoplasmic uptake as well. This could obliterate the need of an external treatment and therefore pave the way for in vivo testing for the replacement of lacking very large proteins in monogenic diseases as such as NF1.”
At first look it seems that someone is using FimaNAc concept with a different photosensitizer TPPS4, this is still at an academic stage but could we consider it a potential competition? How are we protected around FimaNAc?
Hope we can discuss this “objectively”
This was published April 2018 and the work was funded by the Federal Ministry of Education and Research (Germany)
The paper is titled:
Restoring functional neurofibromin by protein transduction
Link:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-24310-5
Quotes:
“Protein transduction into cultured fibroblasts was performed employing cell penetrating peptides along with photochemical internalization. This combination of transduction strategies ensures the intracellular uptake and the translocation to the cytoplasm of neurofibromin”
“Cotreating cells with a photosensitizer and light induced disruption of endosomes and lysosomes called photochemical internalization (PCI) leads to a cytosolic distribution of the internalized proteins in vitro.”
“The combined treatment with photochemical internalization (PCI) to release endosomally trapped protein to the cytosol of the cells required 24 hours preincubation time with the photosensitizer TPPS4. Therefore, experiments combining protein transduction, PCI and cellular orientation on nano-micro structured surfaces were designed to last 96 hours as shown in the experimental timescale (Fig. 1a). In case of a siRNA NF1 knockdown, additional 48 hours were prepended.”
“An uptake of huge proteins as neurofibromin (~320 kDa) remains a challenging task. We showed that the problems can be overcome in vitro by using endo-lysosome disrupting techniques as specialized transduction reagents along with light triggered photochemical internalisation (PCI).”
“We used TPPS4 as photosensitizer (PS). This PS is activated by an exposure to visible blue light that penetrates tissue only over a distance of few millimeters with a strong decrease of the intensity. To perform a suitable PCI treatment, a uniform exposure in all cells should be achieved for that the effect of an endolysosomal release is directly linked to the light intensity. Here, the use of different PS with other activation wavelengths might extenuate this problem. Further modifications of the recombinant neurofibromin e.g. the fusion of one or more HIV TAT transduction domains might enhance the cellular and cytoplasmic uptake as well. This could obliterate the need of an external treatment and therefore pave the way for in vivo testing for the replacement of lacking very large proteins in monogenic diseases as such as NF1.”
Redigert 19.01.2021 kl 18:28
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05.08.2018 kl 11:00
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As I understand the PCI Biotech-technology is very well patented:
http://publish.fondsfinans.no/corporate/PCI_biotech_prospectus.pdf from page 60
Especially for its intended use, cancers.
The PS you are refering to is solving av spesific problem, that is treating a disease as NF1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurofibromatosis_type_I)
Where it actully is an advantage that light that activates the photosenstizer has a short wavelength. Because light with short wavelength travels short in tissue, and NF1 is a superficial skin disorder.
According to litterature blue light travels less than one millimeter, even though it says a few milimteres in your link, but it is probably consistent with litterature as it also says "strong decrease of the intensity" (it could be read as "yes the light travels a few mm, but just a fraction of it)
The wavelenght PCIB is using in their PS travels probably 3 to 5 times the distance, and this blue light refered in your article is probably complete useless in the applications PCIB have in mind.
Example of litterature showing light penetration in tissue
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4479368/
Table 1 is consitent with the NF1-use in your article, it is used to correct a skin disorder.
http://publish.fondsfinans.no/corporate/PCI_biotech_prospectus.pdf from page 60
Especially for its intended use, cancers.
The PS you are refering to is solving av spesific problem, that is treating a disease as NF1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurofibromatosis_type_I)
Where it actully is an advantage that light that activates the photosenstizer has a short wavelength. Because light with short wavelength travels short in tissue, and NF1 is a superficial skin disorder.
According to litterature blue light travels less than one millimeter, even though it says a few milimteres in your link, but it is probably consistent with litterature as it also says "strong decrease of the intensity" (it could be read as "yes the light travels a few mm, but just a fraction of it)
The wavelenght PCIB is using in their PS travels probably 3 to 5 times the distance, and this blue light refered in your article is probably complete useless in the applications PCIB have in mind.
Example of litterature showing light penetration in tissue
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4479368/
Table 1 is consitent with the NF1-use in your article, it is used to correct a skin disorder.
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05.08.2018 kl 11:04
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I have not the full overview about the optimal wavelenght for delivery of fimaNAC-applications, but it is of course impossible that Anders Høgseth not is aware of this, and the applications have been developed and patentede accordingly
Otard
05.08.2018 kl 11:30
4371
Er det ikke mulig å finne noen konkurrenter til pcib som i hvertfall rekker dem til knærne?
Dette blir jo bare bedre og bedre
Dette blir jo bare bedre og bedre
don_suger
05.08.2018 kl 12:54
4222
Pcib sin partner RXI meldte jo nettopp noe om en behandling med pci som var for scar tissue. Mulig dette er det samme, ergo RXI jobber med noen andre enn pcib på akkurat dette området?
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Durable
05.08.2018 kl 14:31
4106
Jeg kan for lite om detaljene i patentene til PCIB til å kunne si noe nøysktig om dette, men vil likevel påpeke at det ikke trenger å være verdens undergang om man ikke har fullstendig monopol på noe.
Oppsiden i aksjen vil likevel være vanvittig stor!
Oppsiden i aksjen vil likevel være vanvittig stor!
Stock DZ
20.08.2018 kl 00:33
3559
I guess this is a good news for FimaNac:
FDA Approves Patisiran, First-Ever RNAi Therapeutic Approved for Clinical Use
https://www.asgct.org/research/news/august-2018/fda-approves-patisiran-rna-interference-rnai
FDA Approves Patisiran, First-Ever RNAi Therapeutic Approved for Clinical Use
https://www.asgct.org/research/news/august-2018/fda-approves-patisiran-rna-interference-rnai
gepard1
22.08.2018 kl 20:24
3289
Tviler paa at RXI har andre PCI partnere. Det er nok oss, og det er sannsynelig at vaare partnere tester vaar leveringsteknologi paa flere omraader.
liang
22.08.2018 kl 21:51
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http://investors.rxipharma.com/news-releases/news-release-details/pci-biotech-and-rxi-pharmaceuticals-extend-research
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Dr. Per Walday, CEO of PCI Biotech, said: "I'm very pleased to announce the extension of the existing research agreement. Our collaboration with RXi has been most fruitful and demonstrated a clear positive technological synergy that could realise significant value when applied to the emerging field of immuno-oncology. We look forward to exploring synergies between fimaNAc and RXi's innovative RNAi based compounds in the extended collaboration focusing on immuno-oncology opportunities."
Tilbakeblikk.
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Dr. Per Walday, CEO of PCI Biotech, said: "I'm very pleased to announce the extension of the existing research agreement. Our collaboration with RXi has been most fruitful and demonstrated a clear positive technological synergy that could realise significant value when applied to the emerging field of immuno-oncology. We look forward to exploring synergies between fimaNAc and RXi's innovative RNAi based compounds in the extended collaboration focusing on immuno-oncology opportunities."
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fabian2
06.04.2019 kl 18:12
2010
FimaNac kan bli enda større en FimaVacc...det tar bare lengre tid. Og da er neppe systemet på norske hender. Det er bare å sitte i ro og vente. Plutselig en dag kan det komme oppkjøpsforsøk. Hele PCIB er grovt underpriset i dag.
Scoopfinder
06.04.2019 kl 20:01
1949
«Problemet» med å kjøpe Nac er at det er flere andre selskaper som ikke ønsker å miste retten til bruk av leveringsmetoden.
Dermed må det enten bli budkamp, eller et kjøp der de andre gis rettigheter.
Uansett må prisen bli meget høy. Det er selvsagt ikke et problem for oss eiere, men poenget mitt er at et kjøp er komplisert.
Lista ligger høyere. Derfor kan det ta tid.
Men flere av selskapene har nå holdt på så lenge at de utvilsomt vet at det virker.
Vi går meget spennende tider i møte. I alle 3 divisjoner.
Dermed må det enten bli budkamp, eller et kjøp der de andre gis rettigheter.
Uansett må prisen bli meget høy. Det er selvsagt ikke et problem for oss eiere, men poenget mitt er at et kjøp er komplisert.
Lista ligger høyere. Derfor kan det ta tid.
Men flere av selskapene har nå holdt på så lenge at de utvilsomt vet at det virker.
Vi går meget spennende tider i møte. I alle 3 divisjoner.
Redigert 06.04.2019 kl 20:02
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